Yuri Talk: Yuri and Yaoi Still Seen as Hentai Sub-genres? (By Wammy Giveaway)

Citrus CoverI will let Mr Wammy Giveaway himself, Alfredo Rodriguez, explain why I am sharing this episode of the Wammy Radio Podcast here:

I would like to share something very special with you. In Part 2 of my podcast just released today, I questioned if more needs to be done to prove that yaoi and yuri are not just sub-genres of hentai.

I am inviting everyone to give their thoughts regarding the matter. The topic can be found on Part 2, at the 35:40 time mark. Please provide any corrections or facts I may have missed. Really appreciate it:

Wammy Giveaway links:

If you’re unable to hear the file completely, you’ll need to download it. Click on the Tumblr link above, find the podcast file, right-click on the link and select “Save Link As”.

Note From OG: You know what’s funny? Care to guess how much Yuri and/or Yaoi content can be found in hentai nowadays? It’s not one scene per series that’s for sure. Even futanari X female has lessened over the years. You’d be lucky to find H scenes that aren’t/don’t become threesomes (M X F X F) (especially yuri ones) or last longer than 10 seconds. Heck it has always been this way, even at a time when they weren’t as rare as they are right now. Considering the situation over in Japan I can kind of understand why this is currently the case.

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25 Responses to Yuri Talk: Yuri and Yaoi Still Seen as Hentai Sub-genres? (By Wammy Giveaway)

  1. Mauron says:

    Well, if people really like threesomes… wait, you mean that kind of threesome.

    For whatever reason, my attempts to load the podcast stop with an end time between 13 and 23 minutes. I’ll try again later.

    General comments for now: English speakers have done weird things to some of the Japanese terms we’ve borrowed, and some people will defend to the death their repurposed use of whatever borrowed term they like. I suspect yaoi and yuri will eventually swing to more of the original use.

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    • If you’re unable to hear the file completely, you’ll need to download it. Right-click the link and select “Save Link As.” Try doing this at the Tumblr page OG added to the article.

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      • Mauron says:

        The “Save Link As…” menu wanted to just give me a redirect page, but I was able to work around that. On to the specific comments.

        I think yaoi and yuri will eventually take over as the common terms, with newer people entering the community and picking up the newer understanding. May take a while though, but the understanding of “there’s non-porn LBGT+ anime” will probably come faster.

        Korra had some hints about that relationship in the last season, but probably ran into trouble being a Nickelodeon show. I was honestly surprised we got confirmation that quickly.

        Seven Seas has been great in the yuri manga publishing. They’ve even had some ads in the back of some volumes that list yuri manga you can read by them.

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  2. Cytrus says:

    Eh, yaoi was a sub-genre of hentai at one point, hence the name: YAma (nashi) Ochi (nashi) Imi (nashi) – no climax, no punch line, no point – as in, stories that contained sex and sex only, so there was no story structure at all. That was shortened to the initials yaoi. More developed stories were technically representing the shounen-ai genre.

    Yuri never had that origin, as it was historically concerned with those infamous class S relationships that didn’t need to include sexual intimacy to make sense. That’s why we technically have the genre “rezu” to point to those yuri stories focused on physical attraction.

    But I’m saying “technically” a lot here as the terms yuri and yaoi gained much more notoriety than any other genre names and seem to have largely absorbed the other genres in the public’s eye. And when the average Joe learns the definition – works about people with a different sexual orientation, or however else you want to phrase it – they can only think that the only reason you’d want sexual orientation to be a key point in your story is because of sex, duh. The emotional dimension of the genres and the like are non-obvious to outsiders, so they don’t even consider that as part of the deal. I don’t think changing that will ever be easy.

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    • OG-Man says:

      Very informative.

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    • cirno9fan says:

      Actually “Gaaruzu rabu” is the more defining/used trait in the otaku community. 百合 still gets used for stuff that’s just two girls who are very friendly with each other, but if it has that “GL” or “ガールズラブ” tag, then you know it’s actual yuri.

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      • Cytrus says:

        From first hand experience, GL isn’t that commonly used a term. It is a counterpart to boy’s love or BL, True that BL is the most common designation for male romance, to the point that shop/bookstore sections dealing with what we might call yaoi in the west are always labelled BL nowadays. Can’t say the same for GL though, yuri is the enduring term, which you can also see from industry references, such as Yurikuma Arashi, Yuru Yuri etc.

        But you are right in that yuri now points to a very broad spectrum, and often focuses on the lighter side with many “true friends” relationships and the like.

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      • cirno9fan says:

        I’d argue it always was used like that, but either way, I see GL being used more and more as a way to give a concrete definition. Yuri is more commonly used…because yuri is so vaguely defined. So it would apply to much more. Times are changing ever since that term started surfacing

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  3. qorl says:

    I haven’t listened yet, but regarding that red last paragraph, there was once this torrent floating around of yuri h-scenes, probably 80-90% of yuri scenes in existence, and yeah, there weren’t very many, considering.

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  4. exqalph03 says:

    Well, honestly, haven’t even considered it at all, as all along I’ve been thinking that they aren’t, well, I don’t know much about Yaoi though as I’m not really interested in it, but honestly, from what I’ve seen and known, the Yuri from what we have till now don’t really have much h-scenes at all, mostly shoujo-ai strictly speaking out there, but well, though I don’t really like it I’ve also noticed that there’s more of Yaoi out there, and they have much more explicit/h-scenes so I can’t give a definite point that Yaoi isn’t a sub-genre of Hentai as what I’ve been seeing is… ugh. well, I’m also not counting the shounen-ai in it as it’s different, haha.

    oh well, dunno if I just confused myself or others with what I’ve thought of.

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  5. Okami おかみ Yamino やみの says:

    Part of the problem is in terminology. Originally there ware terms Shoujo-AI and Shounen-AI to refer to GxG and BxB romance stories while Yuri and Yaoi ware referring to erotic content and therefore ware a sub-genre of hentai but then somehow people ended up labeling those two terms together under Yuri and Yaoi resulting in confusion.
    I personally prefer to use those terms the way they used to be used as I think it is important to tell the difference between the two and I hate that people nowadays are labeling them together, I also find it can negatively impact the genres exactly in a way a title says.

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    • Cytrus says:

      There is a lot of flux related to the terminology, but the term yuri seems to have been first used for literature, rather than doujinshi, so it is unlikely it was used with hentai in mind at the time.

      And oddly, shounen-ai and shoujo-ai were apparently terms more commonly used in western otaku culture than the Japanese one.

      At this point, invoking the “original meaning” of all the terms is a very difficult thing to do.

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    • cirno9fan says:

      ACTUALLY
      shoujo ai is literally “love between young girls”. Yuri has always been used to handle the vague definition that includes everything. “Western” otaku totally misused the terms and created all the confusion that never needed to be. Things are finally being fixed from that era of total misunderstanding, and I’d rather not return to those dark times

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      • Okami おかみ Yamino やみの says:

        @cirno9fan
        ACTUALLY
        While what you are saying is true for general Japan it has been different in otaku culture and those terms ware used to separate between romantic and erotic content. And if any times are dark it is those times now when we don’t have such an important separation, and I really hope this fixes it self.

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      • cirno9fan says:

        H Yuri
        Bam. no confusion

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      • cirno9fan says:

        or you could even go with yuri hentai. Which is commonly used

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  6. Wait, there were actually Anime on Laser Disc?

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  7. The Otaku Judge says:

    Is yuri on the decline? Depends on the gender of the tentacle monsters. Many of them lay eggs.

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    • OG-Man says:

      No it isn’t. I was referring to there not being that much yuri hentai in the world. At least, those made by major hentai companies.

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      • cirno9fan says:

        “major hentai companies” is a bit of an enigma in itself. hentai is not “major” in anyway, abnd is actually an industry on its last legs

        At least, the animated kind. Visual novels/manga/etc have more of a ‘major’ setup, and also have actual yuri in a decent proportion.

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      • OG-Man says:

        I don’t know much about hentai but you get what I was saying.

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  8. DLZ says:

    Brazil may be the only country that uses “orange” as a term for erotic yuri. Can we make that a universal thing?……………No? Ok.

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