Yuri Talk: The Fire Emblem Controversy

Keep the following in mind. This post reflects my, and only my opinions.

WARNING: This post will contain spoilers regarding one of the game’s romance options.

UPDATE: I got the info wrong. The following character is NOT the actual yuri option as I was led to believe. Just a poorly written yuri tease. The actual yuri comes from the second girl in this post.

Fire Emblem Fates Soliel

A bit of backstory. During its commercial campaign for its 2015 Japan release Fire Emblem Fates was touted as being the first entry in the series to include homosexual romance options. The one we’ll be talking about could have been a potentially good second yuri option but alas is not, Soliel. Soliel is a woman who grew up being attracted to other girls, confusing her about her sexual preferences. Here’s where the controversy comes in. It is still possible for a male Corrin (The default name for the avatar character) to romance Soliel. HOWEVER, the problem lies in HOW. See, as mentioned above Soliel has had an attraction to girls for a long time. To change this, Corrin secretly poured “Magic Powder” into her tea, causing her to see women as men and men as women. Male Corrin explains that he did it to help Soliel get along with guys better but Soliel accepts her new feelings for Corrin. Basically Soliel was drugged into falling in love with Male Corrin. Suffice to say many did not take this well.

Soliel without blushing

My problem is not that it’s possible for a guy Corrin to hook up with Soliel. If they want to make her bisexual, fine. It’s HOW the guy has to do it. They couldn’t have him do it naturally. He had to use a drug. Because of this Nintendo of America announced that in Western ports of Fire Emblem Fates they would alter the content to remove any indication of gay conversion and involvement of drugs. As of this writing it’s unclear how exactly this alteration will go down other than its removal. I’ll edit this last part once the truth’s revealed.

There you have it. Chime in if you wish.

Syalla

THIS is the actual yuri romance option in the game, Syalla, a bisexual. She is available in the Birthright Version. For players who will get the Conquest version she will be included in the bonus post-game DLC campaign. Same goes for the yaoi character, Niles, in the Conquest version.

Sources:

http://operationrainfall.com/2016/01/21/nintendo-admits-they-censored-fire-emblem-fates-scenes-to-avoid-controversy/

http://mynintendonews.com/2016/01/21/nintendo-removes-controversial-fire-emblem-fates-conversation/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

http://www.siliconera.com/2016/01/21/fire-emblem-fates-will-controversial-dialogue-removed-west/

http://www.koi-nya.net/2016/01/21/una-de-las-escenas-mas-controvertidas-de-fire-emblem-fates-llegara-modificada-a-occidente/

About OG-Man

Yuri and Slice of Life are my anime passion.
This entry was posted in Yuri Talk and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink.

55 Responses to Yuri Talk: The Fire Emblem Controversy

  1. Feith says:

    Well. That sucks. I was kind of hoping that there could be a yuri manakete pairing. Any luck on that front?

    Oh, and sorry it’s been a while. I still support this blog, even if I don’t comment often.

    Liked by 1 person

  2. cirno9fan says:

    First of all, Soliel cannot get with any girl. All her support ranks with girls stop at A. Even though most of her supports (including guys) all involve her attraction to girls…she can only get with a guy. This is the real issue with Soliel. She is one of the worst written characters in this series (easily the worst in the game), and Intelligent Systems are an enigma for not choosing her as a possible S Support for the female main character, but that’s what they did.

    Now, onto the actual support. This one is highly misconstrued (thanks to someone jumping to conclusions who doesn’t know Japanese, and was not very knowledgeable of Japanese customs at the time). Yes, the drug was slipped into the drink. But, it was because Soliel was having an issue. She wanted to be seen as the “cool beauty” type, but whenever she was near a really cute girl, her mind went into overdrive, and she found herself fainting/getting dizzy. Thus destroying her image she tried to portray. So, Male Corrin wants to be helpful, and slips the drug into her drink. immediately after she drinks it, he explains things. Notably, this drug did not make her think guys were girls or vice versa. It just changed their appearance. She still was full aware of the gender of who she was looking at. The drug was a complete failure, but she ends up falling in love with male corrin due to this. Reminder: ALL her S Supports are ONLY with guys. This was not her becoming bisexual (but you did note this much, that she was already bisexual). It’s a really dumb support, but ALL of Soliel’s’s supports are dumb.

    The male ones because they end up (except for one with a guy who looks A LOT like a girl) being all about her attraction to girls until she magically wants to get married to them when it switches to S rank. And the female ones because they basically seem like a yuri route, but just stop. This is the real issue with Soliel. That support is just one of the many poorly written supports for Soliel. So, get up in arms at IS for the real issue, and not some created problem that was born of misunderstandings.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Trans Homura says:

      My idea is have her be bisexual but heteroromantic. Only liking men but wanting to fuck guys and girls

      Liked by 1 person

      • cirno9fan says:

        The problem is that it’s very poorly built up to (the marrying), excepting one male support. So, making that argument comes off very weak, because she definitely expresses romantic feelings for some of the female supports (most assuredly including the MC one), but they just stop.

        Liked by 1 person

      • OG-Man says:

        At least Syalla’s bi and can be court by either gender.

        Like

    • OG-Man says:

      I corrected the post after reading this and updated it accordingly. It’s still worth keeping up to show everyone that drugging someone into falling for you…especially without their consent is wrong.

      Liked by 1 person

  3. Nain says:

    You actually cant romance Soleil as a female avatar,and she cant romance any girl for that matter. Just dudes. Which is probably one of my biggest points of contention. Another one is that she was handled so poorly that she came across as a lesbian who has absolutely no interest in men whatsoever, and yet was still able to S-support (i.e. marry) male characters.

    This perpatuates an extremely harmful trope of lesbians just being straight girls who just havent met the right guy yet, and if she’s going to be bisexual I’m sincerely hoping she’s handled better in the localization. Not even gonna front I love Soleil to bits so I always get a bit riled up whenever this controversy comes up, but im glad you addressed it.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Nain says:

      I’m gonna elaborate on a couple things on my previous comment and say that it’s important to remember that subtext is a thing that exists and that no, the supports were actually translated poorly and the person behind this supposed misunderstanding checked multiple times with several people to make sure they were correct. No matter how you look at it, slipping powder with mind-altering affects into someone’s drink is shady and comes across as date-rapey. Soleil didn’t ask for help, and it really doesn’t matter that the avatar explains whats going on right after it starts taking affect.

      And I really don’t see what Japanese customs has anything to do with this, unless one was to imply that slipping a mickey is a totally normal thing that goes on in Japan and Japanese media. To that I’d say that there was actually a petition by JAPANESE FE fans for Nintendo to adsress the homophobia and same-sex relationship portrayal, including the whole Soleil debacle, so it even comes across as homophobic to THEM. It’s from last summer so it’s a bit old but here’s a link https://twitter.com/himatako/status/630072974385680384

      Liked by 3 people

    • OG-Man says:

      Yes. cirno9fan helped correct my mistake. It’s still worth keeping it up here to show that it’s wrong to drug people without their consent.

      Like

  4. Kaiser Tenshi says:

    It’s simple: 1. nintendo can do what they want
    2. it’s not unethical or whatever, because it’s a game

    Like

    • the_elevator_man says:

      Easy there. Yes Nintendo can do whatever they want. However, in Awakening, Fates’ direct predecessor, Nintendo faced a huge backlash because of perceived homophobia with all the girl/girl and guy/guy supports stopping at A. This is important since Nintendo advertised the yuri pairing as a response to these accusations, and the drug-out seems to be a cop-out. Of course I have no idea about the context, but anything to do with drugs and love is kinda iffy in my books.

      Also, being a game (or an anime) doesn’t exclude having objectionable content. I’m wondering how yurireviews got an objectionable content flag recently. I feel poorly for those guys/gals since they do good work.

      Back on topic. It’s weird. Since IS usually isn’t afraid to go into some very controversial stuff such as incest (literally all series, FE7’s Prissy/Raven and FE8’s Ephraim/Eirika are common examples) or implied underages (any S support with a loli, and there are many). Feels like this one ain’t gonna sit well with the population, and this sucks as a former extremely avid FE duelist.

      Liked by 1 person

    • OG-Man says:

      Not cool to play the Nintendo sucks blame game this time.

      Like

  5. Nick Kwan says:

    Cirno9fan summed it up pretty well. This all stems from very poor translations. And she’s not even a lesbian so…yeah. Just another case of a blown out of proportion misconception. This video does a good job of explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iVFPheRegw

    Like

    • OG-Man says:

      Corrected but still a worthwhile post to indicate what could have been and what should not be.

      Like

    • SoleilDaBest says:

      There are no problem with the translation, the Japanese have an entire website devoted to talking about this disaster.

      http://feifgannbare.jimdo.com/%E5%90%8C%E6%80%A7%E5%A9%9A%E3%82%B7%E3%82%B9%E3%83%86%E3%83%A0%E3%81%AE%E5%95%8F%E9%A1%8C%E7%82%B9/

      There’s no misconception either, Kamui put Magic Powder in Soleil drink without her consent.

      That’s something that happened, and no matter the context, putting something in someone else drink without their consent is bad, like criminal bad.

      Any decent person will know that this is terrible, and that we have every right to be mad about this. Seriously, Nintendo acknowledge the content, it’s there, this is no misunderstanding.

      Soleil can be straight or bisexual or lesbian, anything. That’s not the reason this happen, she was drugged, without her consent. I will repeat this one more time. Soleil was drugged, without her consent. This happened in FE Fates JP. The Japanese acknowledge that this is a problem, Nintendo of America acknowledge it and state that this will not be present in FE Fates NA and European version. No misconception. Once again, Soleil was drugged, without her consent.

      Like

      • K says:

        From what I get from this, she was drugged without her consent. I saw this comment chain on Reddit that looked into it a bit more. Spoilers, I guess:

        Rygar_the_Beast: “I remember reading before that she asked for help before. Cause these reports keep reading like the dude came out of nowhere and just drugged her.”

        Immahnoob: “He inquires on what her “weakness” is, at first she doesn’t want to tell because of the implication that he can’t help, she doesn’t ask for help directly in the conversation before the magical powder thing.

        In the second dialogue, the magical powder is used. Soleil doesn’t know that the protag became a girl but he clarifies he used the powder in the first lines to help her. She accepts both this change and his help then.

        So they are right that he used the powder on her without her consent. That doesn’t change much though, since she’s ok with the change and his help, and the powder did not change her perceived sexuality (as we don’t know if she’s a homosexual or not, it’s more likely from how it ends that she’s a bisexual, if we take it rationally), merely changed what she sees.”

        Then she developed feelings for the protagonist.”

        Well, that’s enough spoiling for one day.

        Liked by 1 person

      • OG-Man says:

        In any case the whole ordeal was poorly handled.

        Liked by 1 person

  6. elkat4 says:

    I feel that using drugs to make a character who is clearly gay bisexual is very underhanded and lazy writing at best and I think it would be best if Nintendo removed the references to drugs.
    I can’t say anything until the game comes out, but if they aren’t careful Nintendo will draw a lot of ire of LGBT community as well every yuri fan whose been waiting to play this game for a while (myself included).

    Liked by 1 person

    • OG-Man says:

      I messed up the info but the post still stands as what could have been a potentially decent second yuri option. Hopefully Syalla’s a cool character worth pairing with Lady Corrin.

      Like

      • elkat4 says:

        OIC. Good to know. Also I mistook Syalla for Tharja (the female dark mage from Awakening who was notoriously interested in the player character regardless of his/her gender but only marriageable with a male pc). Maybe she’s a descendant of Tharja (or they got lazy about designing female dark mages).

        Liked by 1 person

      • OG-Man says:

        Dunno a thing about FE outside of Smash Bros games myself.

        Like

  7. Denny Sinnoh says:

    My son keeps asking over and over again to get both versions of the new game when it comes out February 19. As a concerned parent, I trust Nintendo will make the right choice …
    )

    Liked by 1 person

  8. K says:

    I was trying to avoid anything Fates-related until I played it myself but this censorship thing got me (a bit) curious. I looked around (at Reddit) and there was a thread talking about it and it was found that this whole thing was a rumor.

    The thread in question: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/41zy24/censorship_supposed_gay_conversion_scene_in_fire/

    The confirmation: http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=56220&p=4184652

    Like

  9. josefcd904 says:

    With the game coming to the West in less than a month I doubt they got ride of the route all together. More than anything they changed the story a bit. How you phrased it she was confused for a long time. It also sounds like she just happens to swing more towards girls more. So, the possibility of just keeping her as a bisexual could be a thing from the start. Otherwise that would change a lot in the story (assuming her role is an important one and her Yuri route appears often). It might just be simpler to just change that very short (since those conversation parts are only a short bit of dialogue that is only seen once) part of the conversation. They could even tell her that they are doing this as an option since Soliel did mention that sometimes she is too focused on the girls to fight.
    Other than this brief part of the character I do not know that much about her or the other characters. I am looking forward to the game and want to go in almost as blind as possible. I am not sure how accurate of what I said was true, again because I did not look into anything about any of the characters and what I learned from her was only from the controversy with that part.
    So, more than anything we will have to wait till next month to know what happens.
    I am thinking of the idea of writing about at least my thoughts on the game. But I do not know where exactly this character would appear.

    Liked by 1 person

    • OG-Man says:

      I messed up by saying she’s the yuri route. Syalla’s the yuri route and she’s in the Conquest version. Most likely Soliel will remain a romance option for the Male Corrin and some tweaks will be made alongside the removal of the negative content.

      I’ll gladly check out your first impressions and/or review of the game.

      Like

      • josefcd904 says:

        I am getting the special edition, which is all 3 routes in one. So, I was thinking of just doing brief thoughts to at least start off. Maybe little check points from time to time on where I am in the game. Video games sometimes take me awhile to beat, so I am not 100% sure on a review. But a part of me is tempted to go for that route just to see what they do. Even if it is in a second save file. Although once the English version is released they probably will have what happens out somewhere online.

        Liked by 1 person

      • OG-Man says:

        It’s up to you good sir. Whatever you post I’ll be sure to check it out.

        Liked by 1 person

      • josefcd904 says:

        Still a month away. But I am surprised how much talk about what is in the game has been happening. I really have not heard anything like this in a long time.

        Like

      • OG-Man says:

        Controversy creates cash. In this topic’s case it’s worth discussing.

        Liked by 1 person

  10. K says:

    I tried posting about this earlier but it seems as if it was eaten or something. In case it doesn’t show up, I’ll just say that it was confirmed to be a rumour.

    Like

  11. Nain says:

    Dude Syalla’s in Birthright; Niles is in Conquest.

    Like

  12. zuneko says:

    Are there more options for yuri characters than the one character? Because I am a bit disappointed and was hoping there were going to be more yuri characters to couple with.

    Liked by 1 person

  13. D.T. Nova says:

    Some people have expressed disagreement with Nintendo’s decisions by saying “it’s all a misinterpretation; it was never actually those things to begin with”…but I don’t really understand that position, because if those were right, then Nintendo changing the details of the scene would be making the original intentions clearer and not changing the intent of the scene.

    On the other hand, there’s no defense for giving someone a drug without their consent, period, so I think the scene was something that should be changed at its core.

    And seriously, how does the character with Girl Lover as a her personal skill (seriously!) only S rank with guys?
    (The good news is, since she’s a second-generation character, there’s no great gameplay benefit to have her marry at all.)

    Liked by 1 person

    • OG-Man says:

      Of course there are people trying to defend the scene and stand against it being changed.

      Unfortunately it is clear as day what initially had to be done to court Soliel and it was despicable. Once again a missed opportunity for female Corrins, a very silly missed opportunity.

      Like

  14. The Otaku Judge says:

    Censorship of Japanese games is now commonplace. Fire Emblem has already been a victim of this when they altered a bikini picture. I don’t really see anything wrong with the original scenario. I have seen many cartoons were someone drinks a love potion and falls for someone they wouldn’t otherwise like.

    Liked by 1 person

    • OG-Man says:

      Because in cartoons, especially old ones and lighthearted/slapstick comedies it’s played for laughs most of the time. Not so here.
      Even if players can choose to ignore the Soliel romance route entirely many could not. Basically it’s a matter of principles.

      Like

  15. QueenKuvira says:

    Well I’m not surprised lol. I was looking forward to this game along with knights of azure but least that one seems like a legit yuri game.

    Liked by 1 person

  16. mutopis says:

    Nintendo mess up badly. I dont know if they have someone to review their content for quality check but somehow they missed this one up. Anyway, I am reminded of some content like old Disney and Tom and Jerry cartoons (and few others) that have very racist content from the old era (and is not really that old, just a few decades), to be fair the racism is mild by comparison to really ugly racist stuff of the period but still problematic. Another example is the movie young Frankenstein and the rape joke, back then was acceptable for its period, today not so. I think it is a generational change and maybe this is one of those moments that Nintendo just didnt notice.

    Liked by 1 person

    • OG-Man says:

      In the end it was a blunder on both ends from Nintendo and IS but as the article K found cleared up, the internet was also at fault for blowing things WAY out of proportion. Still, the point stands that:
      A: “Drugging” and “Curing the gay” are wrong.
      B: Soliel was a poorly written yuri tease.

      Like

  17. K says:

    Hey, sorry for posting here again, but my brother had read an interesting post regarding this controversy. It’s apparently from one of the translators of the game and he goes into great detail clearing this whole thing up. I believe that this should put this thing to rest. You can red it here. https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2016/01/21/fire-emblem-fates-info-on-the-soleil-controversy/

    Liked by 1 person

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s